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	<title>Comments on: Your diva will illustrate the healthcare mandate rift, via popular TV characters.</title>
	<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/</link>
	<description>because a well-behaved diva rarely makes history</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3395</link>
		<author>Dana</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helps if I click more to read the intire post.  Multitasking at it's finest.  I still think we have to go with everyone and make it mandatory.  If anyone knows the healthcare system and delivery it is Hillary and heck if it is good enough for congress it is good enough for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helps if I click more to read the intire post.  Multitasking at it&#8217;s finest.  I still think we have to go with everyone and make it mandatory.  If anyone knows the healthcare system and delivery it is Hillary and heck if it is good enough for congress it is good enough for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3392</link>
		<author>Donna</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katie,

Parenthood is one of those "third rails" of our society and sometimes I just gotta touch it a little bit.  I meant no harm.  Besides, it was important to what I was illustrating.  And my being childless is worth 72 years of recycling.  

To your argument that either health plan will be a step in the direction to single-payer, nothing could be further from the truth.   Both plans will wed us to the insurance industry forever and in perpetuity.   That's the whole point of them and the people telling you otherwise are lying through their teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katie,</p>
<p>Parenthood is one of those &#8220;third rails&#8221; of our society and sometimes I just gotta touch it a little bit.  I meant no harm.  Besides, it was important to what I was illustrating.  And my being childless is worth 72 years of recycling.  </p>
<p>To your argument that either health plan will be a step in the direction to single-payer, nothing could be further from the truth.   Both plans will wed us to the insurance industry forever and in perpetuity.   That&#8217;s the whole point of them and the people telling you otherwise are lying through their teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3391</link>
		<author>Donna</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dem, I understand what you are saying but I find the argument of "but people will be put out of work!" as specious as I do when people who oppose, say, environmental protection use it.  Throughout history, technology and social developments have caused upheavals in the economy and people get put out of work because their jobs are rendered obsolete.  As it is, the net harm that the parasitic health insurance industry does to our country greatly outweighs the benefits it provides through jobs.  

As for how to pay for it, John Conyers has the plan laid out, including facts and figures at
www.hrc676.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dem, I understand what you are saying but I find the argument of &#8220;but people will be put out of work!&#8221; as specious as I do when people who oppose, say, environmental protection use it.  Throughout history, technology and social developments have caused upheavals in the economy and people get put out of work because their jobs are rendered obsolete.  As it is, the net harm that the parasitic health insurance industry does to our country greatly outweighs the benefits it provides through jobs.  </p>
<p>As for how to pay for it, John Conyers has the plan laid out, including facts and figures at<br />
<a href="http://www.hrc676.org" rel="nofollow">www.hrc676.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3389</link>
		<author>Katie</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3389</guid>
		<description>I agree with Dem Lament. We can't get to universal single payer from where we are in one fell swoop. I see both plans as a step in the right direction. They might not be great, but they are better than what we have now. 

BTW - someone has to keep the Democratic party populated, so call them sperm dumplings if you want, but I am raising 2 great Democrats in my house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dem Lament. We can&#8217;t get to universal single payer from where we are in one fell swoop. I see both plans as a step in the right direction. They might not be great, but they are better than what we have now. </p>
<p>BTW - someone has to keep the Democratic party populated, so call them sperm dumplings if you want, but I am raising 2 great Democrats in my house.</p>
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		<title>By: A Dem Lament</title>
		<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3386</link>
		<author>A Dem Lament</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a fair characterization of both plans (and a humorous one).  I think the reason we have these plans (non-single payer) is because politics is the art of the possible and these plans represent what is possible at the moment.  

We could not create a single payer system in our current budgetary environment.  We simple could not afford it.  Couple that with the upheaval caused by implementing a single payer system and you have real problems.  Like it or not a large portion of the US economy is wedded to healthcare.  We have millions of people processing claims, selling insurance, administering programs and actually providing healthcare.  While I would prefer a single payer healthcare system, I cannot reconcile in my mind how you transition several million workers from a private payroll to a government payroll or transition them to some other profession.  The ripple affect would be enormous and rife with unintended consequences.  

As far as the mandate question, it is fair to ask.  I honestly think Obama chose to avoid mandates to blunt the attacks in the general.  The simple fact is that Obama will likely have a pseudo mandate, meaning it will be so difficult to opt out that few people will manage to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a fair characterization of both plans (and a humorous one).  I think the reason we have these plans (non-single payer) is because politics is the art of the possible and these plans represent what is possible at the moment.  </p>
<p>We could not create a single payer system in our current budgetary environment.  We simple could not afford it.  Couple that with the upheaval caused by implementing a single payer system and you have real problems.  Like it or not a large portion of the US economy is wedded to healthcare.  We have millions of people processing claims, selling insurance, administering programs and actually providing healthcare.  While I would prefer a single payer healthcare system, I cannot reconcile in my mind how you transition several million workers from a private payroll to a government payroll or transition them to some other profession.  The ripple affect would be enormous and rife with unintended consequences.  </p>
<p>As far as the mandate question, it is fair to ask.  I honestly think Obama chose to avoid mandates to blunt the attacks in the general.  The simple fact is that Obama will likely have a pseudo mandate, meaning it will be so difficult to opt out that few people will manage to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3385</link>
		<author>Donna</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana, I'm actually putting both plans down.  They both suck.  I agree that we need to take a truly bold step with healthcare, like Social Security was.  That bold step would be a true single payer, non-profit system with NO INSURANCE COMPANIES INVOLVED!  They are the problem, not the solution.  Both Hillary and Obama's plans are giant giveaways to them, and hers is worse because it'll be mandated.  I don't mind paying for true universal coverage, if it is an entitlement like SS or Medicare.  Mandatory insurance is not the same thing and it saddens me to see people falling for the lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana, I&#8217;m actually putting both plans down.  They both suck.  I agree that we need to take a truly bold step with healthcare, like Social Security was.  That bold step would be a true single payer, non-profit system with NO INSURANCE COMPANIES INVOLVED!  They are the problem, not the solution.  Both Hillary and Obama&#8217;s plans are giant giveaways to them, and hers is worse because it&#8217;ll be mandated.  I don&#8217;t mind paying for true universal coverage, if it is an entitlement like SS or Medicare.  Mandatory insurance is not the same thing and it saddens me to see people falling for the lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3384</link>
		<author>Dana</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the way you are viewing it and I will disagree.  The plans are not 95% the same.  If we  REALLY want health care for all me must be BOLD like Social Secuity in the 30's and Medicare in the 60's.  They are both a mandate and they are successful.  Everyone pays in and if you live long enough you get back.  With health care everyone will pay they just wont have to wait.  At the end of the day we are all democrats and one will win- so why spend time and effort putting Hillary down.  We have someone to oppose it is McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the way you are viewing it and I will disagree.  The plans are not 95% the same.  If we  REALLY want health care for all me must be BOLD like Social Secuity in the 30&#8217;s and Medicare in the 60&#8217;s.  They are both a mandate and they are successful.  Everyone pays in and if you live long enough you get back.  With health care everyone will pay they just wont have to wait.  At the end of the day we are all democrats and one will win- so why spend time and effort putting Hillary down.  We have someone to oppose it is McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
		<link>http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/02/27/your-diva-will-illustrate-the-healthcare-mandate-rift-via-popular-tv-characters/#comment-3338</link>
		<author>Krista</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That phrase cracked me up, too.  Definitely vies with the one about "Romney being nuttier than a squirrel turd" as my favorite Donna-ism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That phrase cracked me up, too.  Definitely vies with the one about &#8220;Romney being nuttier than a squirrel turd&#8221; as my favorite Donna-ism.</p>
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