Comments on: Whatever http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/ because a well-behaved diva rarely makes history Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:50:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: no wuss diva http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-5039 no wuss diva Wed, 21 May 2008 22:55:25 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-5039 I completely agree with Katie on this one, the remarks were taken by me in the same way. Solely in the tone of the "little lady" needs to step aside and we will give her a consolation prize for doing it.... Misogyny lives on - until women stand together, it will never change. Too many women in this race were swept away by a message from a man "hoping for change" - this from a guy who leaves his dirty socks for Michelle to pick up- give me a break. Ladies, you've been had. I completely agree with Katie on this one, the remarks were taken by me in the same way. Solely in the tone of the “little lady”
needs to step aside and we will give her a consolation prize for doing it….

Misogyny lives on - until women stand together, it will never change. Too many women in this race were swept away by a message from a man “hoping for change” - this from a guy who leaves his dirty socks for Michelle to pick up- give me a break. Ladies, you’ve been had.

]]> By: Krista http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4989 Krista Tue, 13 May 2008 01:09:48 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4989 I thought Slade's post was thought-provoking and called for honoring Clinton with an appointment. After reading the comment, I reversed it to apply to Obama coming in second place. I think I'd appreciate an effort by the winner, either Clinton or Obama, to trust the second place winner with an appointment. They're both good candidates, and they both have a lot to offer. We need both of them on one side if we're going to heal our country. I also want to point out the biggest problem with internet blogs/chat/comments - you don't always hear the tone with which someone writes. I don't think Slade meant to be condescending, and I don't think Katie meant to be patronizing - at least that's my take on the conversation. I thought Slade’s post was thought-provoking and called for honoring Clinton with an appointment.

After reading the comment, I reversed it to apply to Obama coming in second place. I think I’d appreciate an effort by the winner, either Clinton or Obama, to trust the second place winner with an appointment. They’re both good candidates, and they both have a lot to offer. We need both of them on one side if we’re going to heal our country.

I also want to point out the biggest problem with internet blogs/chat/comments - you don’t always hear the tone with which someone writes. I don’t think Slade meant to be condescending, and I don’t think Katie meant to be patronizing - at least that’s my take on the conversation.

]]> By: Yeah still no. http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4986 Yeah still no. Mon, 12 May 2008 19:43:35 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4986 Don't worry Slade, this post and others like it don't serve to support Sen. Clinton or be thoughtful expositions of politics, but to prove that deep down everyone who doesn't support a woman for whatever office a woman may be running for is, in fact, a misogynist. Don’t worry Slade, this post and others like it don’t serve to support Sen. Clinton or be thoughtful expositions of politics, but to prove that deep down everyone who doesn’t support a woman for whatever office a woman may be running for is, in fact, a misogynist.

]]> By: Slade http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4985 Slade Mon, 12 May 2008 17:46:52 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4985 Wow-- Katie, thanks for putting words in my mouth, but I wish you would refrain from doing so. My suggestion has NOTHING to do with her being a woman. In fact, last I checked neither Earl Warren nor Salmon Chase were women. This has to do with finding a position for the candidate who comes in 2nd but can still make a HUGE impact on the country in a positive way. Please do not put words in my mouth... it detracts from your position and quite frankly is terribly patronizing. Slade Wow– Katie, thanks for putting words in my mouth, but I wish you would refrain from doing so. My suggestion has NOTHING to do with her being a woman. In fact, last I checked neither Earl Warren nor Salmon Chase were women. This has to do with finding a position for the candidate who comes in 2nd but can still make a HUGE impact on the country in a positive way. Please do not put words in my mouth… it detracts from your position and quite frankly is terribly patronizing. Slade

]]> By: Donna http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4938 Donna Sun, 11 May 2008 16:19:46 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4938 Katie, I found Slade's comment inoffensive but you are certainly entitled to disagree. You are not including the broader context of what he said, including examples of male "thorns in sides" of previous Presidential candidates. However, assuming he had said something horribly sexist and insulting, I think it's an awfully high standard to set for Obama to make him personally responsible for every comment by every supporter, on every blog everywhere, which is what I see you doing here when you allude to "talk of change" and the old boys network. Last time I checked, Slade wasn't an official surrogate for the Obama campaign. Katie, I found Slade’s comment inoffensive but you are certainly entitled to disagree. You are not including the broader context of what he said, including examples of male “thorns in sides” of previous Presidential candidates.

However, assuming he had said something horribly sexist and insulting, I think it’s an awfully high standard to set for Obama to make him personally responsible for every comment by every supporter, on every blog everywhere, which is what I see you doing here when you allude to “talk of change” and the old boys network. Last time I checked, Slade wasn’t an official surrogate for the Obama campaign.

]]> By: Yeah no. http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4937 Yeah no. Sun, 11 May 2008 14:40:09 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4937 Katie, do you seriously believe that if Sen. Clinton was a man, that the Obama campaign wouldn't be wondering what to do to convince Clinton to drop out of the race, or that people like Slade Mead wouldn't be making blog posts about it? Katie, do you seriously believe that if Sen. Clinton was a man, that the Obama campaign wouldn’t be wondering what to do to convince Clinton to drop out of the race, or that people like Slade Mead wouldn’t be making blog posts about it?

]]> By: Atticus http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4927 Atticus Sat, 10 May 2008 20:58:40 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4927 Nice subtle accusation of sexism in your comment there Katie. Nice subtle accusation of sexism in your comment there Katie.

]]> By: ademlament http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4924 ademlament Sat, 10 May 2008 05:47:50 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4924 That was actually much nicer than the posts I have been putting up about HRC for a while. I for one am trying my best to hold my fire on HRC because I know I may regret it in the future. Not only that, but I have a least one good friend that I can barely speak to because of this race. I know that the HRC supporters (especially here) are hurting. You felt your candidate was best and you really wanted her to win. If HRC was the nominee, I would feel the same way. I have empathy for what you are going though. As a recovering Deaniac, I can tell you that it does get better. After all, pretty soon we all get to attack John McCain as a unified Democratic Party and George Bush’s time as president is drawing to a close. Our long national nightmare is almost over… That was actually much nicer than the posts I have been putting up about HRC for a while.

I for one am trying my best to hold my fire on HRC because I know I may regret it in the future. Not only that, but I have a least one good friend that I can barely speak to because of this race.

I know that the HRC supporters (especially here) are hurting. You felt your candidate was best and you really wanted her to win. If HRC was the nominee, I would feel the same way.

I have empathy for what you are going though. As a recovering Deaniac, I can tell you that it does get better. After all, pretty soon we all get to attack John McCain as a unified Democratic Party and George Bush’s time as president is drawing to a close. Our long national nightmare is almost over…

]]> By: Liza http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4922 Liza Sat, 10 May 2008 03:36:23 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4922 Yeah, maybe Hillary should just never give up and then we can go into the November election without a candidate. It really doesn't matter who wins, I guess, because Hillary's denial is such that she will move into the Oval office in January. Lucky for us she doesn't have an army because she would overthrow the government. Yeah, maybe Hillary should just never give up and then we can go into the November election without a candidate.

It really doesn’t matter who wins, I guess, because Hillary’s denial is such that she will move into the Oval office in January.

Lucky for us she doesn’t have an army because she would overthrow the government.

]]> By: Katie http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4918 Katie Fri, 09 May 2008 16:54:50 +0000 http://www.democraticdiva.com/2008/05/09/whatever/#comment-4918 The point of my post is not that an appointment to the Supreme Court is a condescending gesture, it's the manner in which the boys think they have to deal with the "little lady" who won't step aside. The point of my post is not that an appointment to the Supreme Court is a condescending gesture, it’s the manner in which the boys think they have to deal with the “little lady” who won’t step aside.

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