Duval email may be sign of a hopeful shift for Dems

24 Sep 2013 04:04 pm
Posted by: Donna

Fred Duval sent the following email out Monday (I took out the fundraising stuff):

Dear Donna,

Last week, Arizona’s Speaker of the House, Andy Tobin, declared that President Obama “hates our nation.”

I disagree with the President on plenty of issues—I think the federal government needs to help rebuild the Yarnell community after the wildfire, and I worry about the President’s approach to Syria—but there is a difference between disagreeing with someone’s policy ideas and just talking trash.

Speaker Tobin should know better. And he should apologize.

It’s time to change Arizona’s politics. We have to be able to disagree with one another, and debate our disagreements, without playing the hate card. I am committed to changing Arizona’s politics, and rooting our work together in a politics of respect.

Does Speaker Tobin think that the 65 million Americans who voted for President Obama also “hate our nation”? How about the more than one million Arizonans who voted for the President in November? Does Speaker Tobin think we “hate our nation” too?

We can disagree about the merits of various policies—the Medicaid Expansion included—but we need to debate our policy disagreements without the insults, the belittling and the trash talk.

Wow. After beginning with an obligatory disclaimer of how he disagrees with the President on some things, Duval went straight into a strong defense of not only Obama but also of his voters here who are routinely disrespected by these right wing demagogues.

This is a refreshing departure from the past two cycles when it seemed every prominent Democrat not named Ed Pastor was running as fast as they could from the President. Maybe top Dems are finally realizing that everyone is going to know they’re in the same party as Obama, no matter how much they pretend they’re not, and that maybe that’s not such a bad thing.

Of all the states Obama lost in the West, he did the best in Arizona, by far. Imagine that, after conservatives have nonstop vilified the man and Democratic officials have regarded him as a pariah, 45% of Arizona voters still voted for him. I’m now hopeful Democrats are not going to repeat the mistake of 2010, when independent voters didn’t seem at all impressed by how quickly Dem candidates sprinted from Obama.

Midterms are always a challenge for Dems and 2010 was probably going to be a bloodbath for us in any event but I often wonder if the lack of willingness to stand up for Obama demoralized some Democratic voters and made things even worse. The base still likes Obama a lot, even if some of us grumble that he’s not liberal enough.

13 Comments

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  2. Comment by State Rep. John Kavanagh on September 24, 2013 5:38 pm

    Amusing.
    In the same post that Duval calls for the “politics of respect,” you call Tobin a “right wing demagogue.”

  3. Comment by Donna on September 24, 2013 5:57 pm

    Glad you’re amused, Rep. Kavanagh. Tobin is a right wing demagogue and so are you. The truth is the truth.

  4. Comment by Diane D'Angelo on September 24, 2013 6:22 pm

    Couldn’t have said it better myself Donna. It’s unfortunate that no reporter asked Tobin for proof that the President hates our nation, just as it was unfortunate that no one held Kavanagh’s feet to the fire about saying that undocumented Canadians are just fine because they buy houses.

  5. Comment by Jo Hafford on September 24, 2013 7:19 pm

    Though, in all fairness, Kavanagh’s taking exception to Tobin being called a demagogue may be less a defense of Tobin and more Kavanagh burnishing his own reputation as Chief Chump at the Capitol. Who but a grandstanding ideologue takes up an “ID to Pee” bill in the appropriations committee in order to forestall taking up the Governor’s budget?!

  6. Comment by State Rep. John Kavanagh on September 24, 2013 8:32 pm

    You should contact Duvall. He might pay you to not support him.

  7. Comment by Donna on September 24, 2013 8:43 pm

    Try spelling his name right, John, before you give him advice.

  8. Comment by State Rep. John Kavanagh on September 24, 2013 8:58 pm

    I was giving you advice.

  9. Comment by Donna on September 24, 2013 9:06 pm

    The thing is, my main point was not even about what Tobin said. I don’t give a fart if Tobin apologizes for saying Pres. Obama hates this country or not. It wouldn’t be genuine anyway. Tobin said it because he honestly believes it.

    I liked the rest of Duval’s email because he took up for a Democratic President who has been maligned relentlessly by both the Right and the Arizona business/media establishment.

  10. Comment by Timmys Cat on September 24, 2013 10:11 pm

    Fake John Kavanagh.

    So Tobin is basically telling 1 million + Arizonans they voted for a man who hates America so much he ran for a second term.
    Pretty much tells you what Tobin thinks of anyone who doesn’t vote the way he thinks they should. We are worthless to him.
    Typical Tea Party crap. Nothing to offer, but always ready with stupid school yard bullying.

    Think stupid Tea Party and you got yer John Kavanagh troll.

  11. Comment by State rep. John Kavanagh on September 26, 2013 12:16 pm

    I know that was your main point. I was just pointing out the inconsistency of your praising Duval for saying,

    ” It’s time to change Arizona’s politics. We have to be able to disagree with one another, and debate our disagreements, without playing the hate card. I am committed to changing Arizona’s politics, and rooting our work together in a politics of respect.”

    …and then bashing Tobin IN THE SAME POST.

  12. Comment by Donna on September 26, 2013 12:42 pm

    The difference between me and Fred is that he’s running for Governor and I’m not. And what is “bashing” about pointing out that Tobin and you are right wing demagogues? You are! You’re proudly right wing, correct? And you like to stir up your base with populist rhetoric, right? I’m just describing you and Tobin accurately.

  13. Comment by todd on September 26, 2013 7:56 pm

    It might be instructive if Rep. Kavanagh could give us an example of a more civil way of saying the same thing about Tobin. If he can not, then the issue here is not civility but rather an attempt to avoid discussion of the actual substance of Donna’s point.

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